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	<title>Comments on: The Conflict of the Fannish and the Creative</title>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 03:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on your comment (and some of my own experiences) I think an interesting question is whether the men in the areas of fandom that are predominantly female tend to take on leadership roles more often than women do. I know several groups, archives, and projects that are running entirely or in part by men. It seems odd that, if I know ten men in fandom (for example) and four of them run groups, and I know ninety women, thirty-six of them do not show similar levels of leadership.

It is entirely possible, of course, that this is just the people I know and where I hang out. But it makes me wonder ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on your comment (and some of my own experiences) I think an interesting question is whether the men in the areas of fandom that are predominantly female tend to take on leadership roles more often than women do. I know several groups, archives, and projects that are running entirely or in part by men. It seems odd that, if I know ten men in fandom (for example) and four of them run groups, and I know ninety women, thirty-six of them do not show similar levels of leadership.</p>
<p>It is entirely possible, of course, that this is just the people I know and where I hang out. But it makes me wonder &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MithLuin</title>
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		<dc:creator>MithLuin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My beta for &#039;Lessons from the Mountain&#039; is male; he is also a decently prolific fanfic writer: http://www.storiesofarda.com/author.asp?AuthID=1787   I can&#039;t speak for him, of course.  The writer I&#039;ve communicated most with in the Hellsing fandom is also male, but then, that is a story about vampires killing people in very gory ways.  It is true that if I do not know a person&#039;s gender in Tolkien or Harry Potter fandom, I am likely to assume that the author is female.  

I have limited experience discussing Harry Potter on messageboards, but the key person in the discussions I *did* have was male, with other women contributing and some other guys.  On Tolkien messageboards, the people I discuss the books with are a mix of men and women, so that I don&#039;t feel one overpowers the other.  The people I discuss the swoonability of Frodo or the making of costumes with are all women, so it is understandable that certain niches in fandom are predominately female.  I suppose both fanart and fanfic in Tolkien fandom are predominately female.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My beta for &#8216;Lessons from the Mountain&#8217; is male; he is also a decently prolific fanfic writer: <a href="http://www.storiesofarda.com/author.asp?AuthID=1787" rel="nofollow">http://www.storiesofarda.com/author.asp?AuthID=1787</a>   I can&#8217;t speak for him, of course.  The writer I&#8217;ve communicated most with in the Hellsing fandom is also male, but then, that is a story about vampires killing people in very gory ways.  It is true that if I do not know a person&#8217;s gender in Tolkien or Harry Potter fandom, I am likely to assume that the author is female.  </p>
<p>I have limited experience discussing Harry Potter on messageboards, but the key person in the discussions I *did* have was male, with other women contributing and some other guys.  On Tolkien messageboards, the people I discuss the books with are a mix of men and women, so that I don&#8217;t feel one overpowers the other.  The people I discuss the swoonability of Frodo or the making of costumes with are all women, so it is understandable that certain niches in fandom are predominately female.  I suppose both fanart and fanfic in Tolkien fandom are predominately female.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 05:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s interesting, Rhapsody, so thanks for sharing! :) I&#039;ll admit that I&#039;m totally out of my league when it comes to mandom. Bobby is the least fannish person on the planet. (He knows a lot about fandom because of me, but he has no interest in it himself.) None of my (male) friends have much interest either. And it seems rather rude to say, &quot;Hey, do you mind if I just hang around and observe how you do things??&quot; like fans are monkeys whose behavior I observe to satisfy my ever-curious mind. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s interesting, Rhapsody, so thanks for sharing! <img src='http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;ll admit that I&#8217;m totally out of my league when it comes to mandom. Bobby is the least fannish person on the planet. (He knows a lot about fandom because of me, but he has no interest in it himself.) None of my (male) friends have much interest either. And it seems rather rude to say, &#8220;Hey, do you mind if I just hang around and observe how you do things??&#8221; like fans are monkeys whose behavior I observe to satisfy my ever-curious mind. <img src='http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rhapsody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhapsody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I know that there are male fannish (mannish? ;)) spaces in fandom. I’m always curious how they work compared to the female-dominated spaces, like Tolkien and HP, to name two biggies in the book-based fandoms and how their cultures differ, particularly with respective to a collective nature and how they handle sexuality (or don’t). Unfortunately, I’ve yet to find an interest in any of these fandoms, so I suppose, for now, I’ll never know. But it’s fun to speculate.&lt;/i&gt;

Well darling husband is a whovian (dr Who) and loves anime, if I would have to compare my fannish time with his, he wins big time. But then again, he does not find the challenge in writing fiction. He loves playing with language (and is a great editor), but not for writing fiction. His interests lies more in reviewing and writing up recs, talking on fora and so on. How often he does not sneak up to his den just to type an entry or together with fellow fan watches episodes weekly and take turns in reviewing and starting discussions (and yes, creatively build pages to host those posts so that people later on can find their discussions). In that sense its no different than us debating the morality of eum... Mandos (just made that up) or discuss about writers and the craft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I know that there are male fannish (mannish? <img src='http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) spaces in fandom. I’m always curious how they work compared to the female-dominated spaces, like Tolkien and HP, to name two biggies in the book-based fandoms and how their cultures differ, particularly with respective to a collective nature and how they handle sexuality (or don’t). Unfortunately, I’ve yet to find an interest in any of these fandoms, so I suppose, for now, I’ll never know. But it’s fun to speculate.</i></p>
<p>Well darling husband is a whovian (dr Who) and loves anime, if I would have to compare my fannish time with his, he wins big time. But then again, he does not find the challenge in writing fiction. He loves playing with language (and is a great editor), but not for writing fiction. His interests lies more in reviewing and writing up recs, talking on fora and so on. How often he does not sneak up to his den just to type an entry or together with fellow fan watches episodes weekly and take turns in reviewing and starting discussions (and yes, creatively build pages to host those posts so that people later on can find their discussions). In that sense its no different than us debating the morality of eum&#8230; Mandos (just made that up) or discuss about writers and the craft.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 05:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rhapsody, thanks for the reply with both the mom&#039;s perspective and the perspective of another person in fandom who I know is always helping somewhere. :) I think you made my point exactly when you said, &quot;I would find it selfish of me that if I will not put those skills and knowledge to use of others.&quot; I feel the same way, and my writing suffers as a result. I&#039;m so far pretty content with the balance I&#039;ve found between writing and other obligations, but sometimes I still question it ...

I know that there are male fannish (mannish? ;)) spaces in fandom. I&#039;m always curious how they work compared to the female-dominated spaces, like Tolkien and HP, to name two biggies in the book-based fandoms and how their cultures differ, particularly with respective to a collective nature and how they handle sexuality (or don&#039;t). Unfortunately, I&#039;ve yet to find an interest in any of these fandoms, so I suppose, for now, I&#039;ll never know. But it&#039;s fun to speculate. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rhapsody, thanks for the reply with both the mom&#8217;s perspective and the perspective of another person in fandom who I know is always helping somewhere. <img src='http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I think you made my point exactly when you said, &#8220;I would find it selfish of me that if I will not put those skills and knowledge to use of others.&#8221; I feel the same way, and my writing suffers as a result. I&#8217;m so far pretty content with the balance I&#8217;ve found between writing and other obligations, but sometimes I still question it &#8230;</p>
<p>I know that there are male fannish (mannish? <img src='http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) spaces in fandom. I&#8217;m always curious how they work compared to the female-dominated spaces, like Tolkien and HP, to name two biggies in the book-based fandoms and how their cultures differ, particularly with respective to a collective nature and how they handle sexuality (or don&#8217;t). Unfortunately, I&#8217;ve yet to find an interest in any of these fandoms, so I suppose, for now, I&#8217;ll never know. But it&#8217;s fun to speculate. <img src='http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rhapsody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhapsody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me being a mom, I do have different priorities. I mean when your child is hungry or has a smelly diaper, then that has the top priority (or imagine your Golden who really really needs to go now!). Even as a mom, wife, friend I have to set my priorities to the scale that those who needs the most help (whether they have not learned to do it yet or don&#039;t have the skills), go first and before me. I think in a way I react the same way to fandom. If someone comes to me for a superspeedy beta, I am prone to say, okay I&#039;ll do it to help you. Or when someone has a prob with an archive I strife to have it solved asap, simply because I can. I would find it selfish of me that if I will not put those skills and knowledge to use of others... it just doesn&#039;t sit well with me. Such is also the case with real life. As a mom I can help my child, husband and yes that often puts creative things on hold. But sometimes I indulge, also knowing that others enjoy what I make and it feels also a tad selfish not to share that part with others if I will not do that.

Oh and for the female space.. there is man space in the fandom. For example my husband sometimes shares with me how many men put time in subtitling episodes, making fansubs (of anime for example), so they are engaged, but differently :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me being a mom, I do have different priorities. I mean when your child is hungry or has a smelly diaper, then that has the top priority (or imagine your Golden who really really needs to go now!). Even as a mom, wife, friend I have to set my priorities to the scale that those who needs the most help (whether they have not learned to do it yet or don&#8217;t have the skills), go first and before me. I think in a way I react the same way to fandom. If someone comes to me for a superspeedy beta, I am prone to say, okay I&#8217;ll do it to help you. Or when someone has a prob with an archive I strife to have it solved asap, simply because I can. I would find it selfish of me that if I will not put those skills and knowledge to use of others&#8230; it just doesn&#8217;t sit well with me. Such is also the case with real life. As a mom I can help my child, husband and yes that often puts creative things on hold. But sometimes I indulge, also knowing that others enjoy what I make and it feels also a tad selfish not to share that part with others if I will not do that.</p>
<p>Oh and for the female space.. there is man space in the fandom. For example my husband sometimes shares with me how many men put time in subtitling episodes, making fansubs (of anime for example), so they are engaged, but differently <img src='http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I study literature, the more I realize that no dilemma or impediment that writers today experience is new to us. I remember being quite amused in reading the gripes of 18th- and 19th-century authors about how publishers only want what is popular (and, therefore, shallow) and how one can&#039;t ever hope to make a living on writing, and how this is more true the more talented one truly is ...

Thanks for sharing this! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I study literature, the more I realize that no dilemma or impediment that writers today experience is new to us. I remember being quite amused in reading the gripes of 18th- and 19th-century authors about how publishers only want what is popular (and, therefore, shallow) and how one can&#8217;t ever hope to make a living on writing, and how this is more true the more talented one truly is &#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing this! <img src='http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: MithLuin</title>
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		<dc:creator>MithLuin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I see what you are saying by calling writing &quot;selfish.&quot;  In the Middle Ages, a monk would never sit down and write something on his own.  He would only write if he had been intstructed to by someone else.  That was seen as keeping it from being selfish - he was bowing to someone else&#039;s wishes by writing.  Also, if the time set aside for writing was up, he was expected to put down his pen and immediately attend to his other duties.  That didn&#039;t mean the muses behaved in any more disciplined a manner for them ;)

An example:
&quot;AFTER I had published, at the solicitous entreaties of certain brethren, a brief work (the Monologium) as an example of meditation on the grounds of faith, in the person of one who investigates, in a course of silent reasoning with himself, matters of which he is ignorant; considering that this book was knit together by the linking of many arguments, I began to ask myself whether there might be found a single argument which would require no other for its proof than itself alone; and alone would suffice to demonstrate that God truly exists, and that there is a supreme good requiring nothing else, which all other things require for their existence and well-being; and whatever we believe regarding the divine Being.

Although I often and earnestly directed my thought to this end, and at some times that which I sought seemed to be just within my reach, while again it wholly evaded my mental vision, at last in despair I was about to cease, as if from the search for a thing which could not be found. But when I wished to exclude this thought altogether, lest, by busying my mind to no purpose, it should keep me from other thoughts, in which I might be successful; then more and more, though I was unwilling and shunned it, it began to force itself upon me, with a kind of importunity. So, one day, when I was exceedingly wearied with resisting its importunity, in the very conflict of my thoughts, the proof of which I had despaired offered itself, so that I eagerly embraced the thoughts which I was strenuously repelling.

Thinking, therefore, that what I rejoiced to have found, would, if put in writing, be welcome to some readers, of this very matter, and of some others, I have written the following treatise, in the person of one who strives to lift his mind to the contemplation of God, and seeks to understand what he believes. In my judgment, neither this work nor the other, which I mentioned above, deserved to be called a book, or to bear the name of an author; and yet I thought they ought not to be sent forth without some title by which they might, in some sort, invite one into whose hands they fell to their perusal. I accordingly gave each a title, that the first might be known as, An Example of Meditation on the Grounds of Faith, and its sequel as, Faith Seeking Understanding. But, after, both had been copied by many under these titles, many urged me, and especially Hugo, the reverend Archbishop of Lyons, who discharges the apostolic office in Gaul, who instructed me to this effect on his apostolic authority --to prefix my name to these writings. And that this might be done more fitly, I named the first, Monologium, that is, A Soliloquy; but the second, Proslogium, that is, A Discourse.&quot;

That is the Preface to St. Anselm&#039;s Proslogium.  I realize he is a man *grin* but that is what I was reminded of while reading your entry.  Apparently, this is a very old dilemma; he&#039;s 11th century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I see what you are saying by calling writing &#8220;selfish.&#8221;  In the Middle Ages, a monk would never sit down and write something on his own.  He would only write if he had been intstructed to by someone else.  That was seen as keeping it from being selfish &#8211; he was bowing to someone else&#8217;s wishes by writing.  Also, if the time set aside for writing was up, he was expected to put down his pen and immediately attend to his other duties.  That didn&#8217;t mean the muses behaved in any more disciplined a manner for them <img src='http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>An example:<br />
&#8220;AFTER I had published, at the solicitous entreaties of certain brethren, a brief work (the Monologium) as an example of meditation on the grounds of faith, in the person of one who investigates, in a course of silent reasoning with himself, matters of which he is ignorant; considering that this book was knit together by the linking of many arguments, I began to ask myself whether there might be found a single argument which would require no other for its proof than itself alone; and alone would suffice to demonstrate that God truly exists, and that there is a supreme good requiring nothing else, which all other things require for their existence and well-being; and whatever we believe regarding the divine Being.</p>
<p>Although I often and earnestly directed my thought to this end, and at some times that which I sought seemed to be just within my reach, while again it wholly evaded my mental vision, at last in despair I was about to cease, as if from the search for a thing which could not be found. But when I wished to exclude this thought altogether, lest, by busying my mind to no purpose, it should keep me from other thoughts, in which I might be successful; then more and more, though I was unwilling and shunned it, it began to force itself upon me, with a kind of importunity. So, one day, when I was exceedingly wearied with resisting its importunity, in the very conflict of my thoughts, the proof of which I had despaired offered itself, so that I eagerly embraced the thoughts which I was strenuously repelling.</p>
<p>Thinking, therefore, that what I rejoiced to have found, would, if put in writing, be welcome to some readers, of this very matter, and of some others, I have written the following treatise, in the person of one who strives to lift his mind to the contemplation of God, and seeks to understand what he believes. In my judgment, neither this work nor the other, which I mentioned above, deserved to be called a book, or to bear the name of an author; and yet I thought they ought not to be sent forth without some title by which they might, in some sort, invite one into whose hands they fell to their perusal. I accordingly gave each a title, that the first might be known as, An Example of Meditation on the Grounds of Faith, and its sequel as, Faith Seeking Understanding. But, after, both had been copied by many under these titles, many urged me, and especially Hugo, the reverend Archbishop of Lyons, who discharges the apostolic office in Gaul, who instructed me to this effect on his apostolic authority &#8211;to prefix my name to these writings. And that this might be done more fitly, I named the first, Monologium, that is, A Soliloquy; but the second, Proslogium, that is, A Discourse.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is the Preface to St. Anselm&#8217;s Proslogium.  I realize he is a man *grin* but that is what I was reminded of while reading your entry.  Apparently, this is a very old dilemma; he&#8217;s 11th century.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally don&#039;t think that fannish activities are any more selfish than similar &quot;RL&quot; activities, though I might be a minority in that. :) For example, I value many of my fannish friends as much or more than my &quot;RL&quot; friends, and my fannish obligations take precedence right alongside obligations that I have to &quot;RL&quot; hobbies, like the SCA. I agree with the Kantian reasoning. I think that fandom is important. That it is a largely online activitiy and that it is something defined as frivolous by our culture matters little to me.

Now my family does take priority over fandom. And I suppose that by the strict Kantian definition, then I am selfish for this ... but I will be selfish then. ;)

Other things that I do I could put before fandom without guilt, like my studies, because I hope that they will one day benefit as many or more people than my fannish activities do.

But when it comes to my personal writing, I often feel guilty to putting it ahead of &lt;em&gt;anything&lt;/em&gt;. Which brings your question around to my conundrum. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally don&#8217;t think that fannish activities are any more selfish than similar &#8220;RL&#8221; activities, though I might be a minority in that. <img src='http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  For example, I value many of my fannish friends as much or more than my &#8220;RL&#8221; friends, and my fannish obligations take precedence right alongside obligations that I have to &#8220;RL&#8221; hobbies, like the SCA. I agree with the Kantian reasoning. I think that fandom is important. That it is a largely online activitiy and that it is something defined as frivolous by our culture matters little to me.</p>
<p>Now my family does take priority over fandom. And I suppose that by the strict Kantian definition, then I am selfish for this &#8230; but I will be selfish then. <img src='http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Other things that I do I could put before fandom without guilt, like my studies, because I hope that they will one day benefit as many or more people than my fannish activities do.</p>
<p>But when it comes to my personal writing, I often feel guilty to putting it ahead of <em>anything</em>. Which brings your question around to my conundrum. <img src='http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: marta</title>
		<link>http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/2008/12/the-conflict-of-the-fannish-and-the-creative/comment-page-1/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>marta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a quick thought here - fair warning, I&#039;m only poking up for air between paper revising. The philosopher in me wants to turn this conundrum on its head. A Kantian (topic du jour of said revising) might say that the more universal an activity is, the more valuable or &quot;true&quot; it is. Now, our fandom is clearly only of interest to people who are some way connected to Tolkien, either by their own interest or by connection through having a parent, child, SO, etc. who is fannish. But in theory, anyone could enjoy fanfic or any other fannish creation. The works are there on the web waiting for anyone to see. 

Compare that with RL. You can post pictures, share anecdotes, but really, I cannot enter into it the same way that Bobby can, or your parents or coworkers or even your dogs. You share it, but that is a secondhand experience. Odds are you don&#039;t share everything, with everyone; and even if you do, I&#039;d wager you&#039;re in the minority. So in some sense time you spend in RL may be shared selflessly with a small group, but the result of time spent on fandom is shared even more widely. 

Which raises the question: why isn&#039;t fandom less selfish than &quot;real life&quot; in-person interactions?

I&#039;m not actually saying it&#039;s selfish to neglect fandom. More just proposing a question to think on. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick thought here &#8211; fair warning, I&#8217;m only poking up for air between paper revising. The philosopher in me wants to turn this conundrum on its head. A Kantian (topic du jour of said revising) might say that the more universal an activity is, the more valuable or &#8220;true&#8221; it is. Now, our fandom is clearly only of interest to people who are some way connected to Tolkien, either by their own interest or by connection through having a parent, child, SO, etc. who is fannish. But in theory, anyone could enjoy fanfic or any other fannish creation. The works are there on the web waiting for anyone to see. </p>
<p>Compare that with RL. You can post pictures, share anecdotes, but really, I cannot enter into it the same way that Bobby can, or your parents or coworkers or even your dogs. You share it, but that is a secondhand experience. Odds are you don&#8217;t share everything, with everyone; and even if you do, I&#8217;d wager you&#8217;re in the minority. So in some sense time you spend in RL may be shared selflessly with a small group, but the result of time spent on fandom is shared even more widely. </p>
<p>Which raises the question: why isn&#8217;t fandom less selfish than &#8220;real life&#8221; in-person interactions?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not actually saying it&#8217;s selfish to neglect fandom. More just proposing a question to think on. <img src='http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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