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		<title>By: The Heretic Loremaster &#187; Too Smart for Fandom?</title>
		<link>http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/2008/09/the-many-faces-of-livejournal/comment-page-1/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>The Heretic Loremaster &#187; Too Smart for Fandom?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the material as inspiration, example, and so on. I touched on this in a previous post, The Many Faces of LiveJournal, about how some LiveJournal users want their public posts to remain available to a public [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/2008/09/the-many-faces-of-livejournal/comment-page-1/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yepp, the differences are what make things fun, but it also makes it hard to branch out into other groups. Every time you do so, you have to learn a new etiquette and I guess a lot of people are wary of stepping (incidentally) on anyone&#039;s toes. I&#039;m not like that. I like to jump in screeching loudly:)

The age might be a reason. There are certainly a lot more &quot;mature&quot; fans around than in other fandoms. I&#039;d say, during my BtVS days most people were in their twens. Tolkien is broader - there are a lot of really young fans writing MS and there are a large number of &quot;older&quot; fans who&#039;ve been around a while. The group is more diverse. I guess beíng &quot;in the loop&quot; also depends on the BNFs and what they bring into fandom. If a really influential fan suddenly migrates to another journal, blogging tool, archive s/he will draw others as well. At least that&#039;s my guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yepp, the differences are what make things fun, but it also makes it hard to branch out into other groups. Every time you do so, you have to learn a new etiquette and I guess a lot of people are wary of stepping (incidentally) on anyone&#8217;s toes. I&#8217;m not like that. I like to jump in screeching loudly:)</p>
<p>The age might be a reason. There are certainly a lot more &#8220;mature&#8221; fans around than in other fandoms. I&#8217;d say, during my BtVS days most people were in their twens. Tolkien is broader &#8211; there are a lot of really young fans writing MS and there are a large number of &#8220;older&#8221; fans who&#8217;ve been around a while. The group is more diverse. I guess beíng &#8220;in the loop&#8221; also depends on the BNFs and what they bring into fandom. If a really influential fan suddenly migrates to another journal, blogging tool, archive s/he will draw others as well. At least that&#8217;s my guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
		<link>http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/2008/09/the-many-faces-of-livejournal/comment-page-1/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your comment on the author&#039;s &quot;power&quot; on LJ is, I think, spot on. Incidentally, this is why I started posting my fanfic on LJ, despite dozens of wonderful Tolkien archives that aren&#039;t ff.net. I was insecure and liked the idea that I could control who saw the story and the kind of feedback I received. If I wanted to make a story disappear forever, I could ... well, to the extent that anything on the Internet can be made to go away forever. Of course, this never became an issue, but it was certainly in the back of my mind as a last resort emergency solution, if my stories got the flames I was so certain they deserved. ;)

Tolkien is my first and only fandom, but I&#039;m addicted to multi-fandom meta, and I&#039;ve certainly noticed as well that Tolkien fans, in general, are out of the loop compared to fandom at large, both in terms of technical expertise and keeping up with inter-fandom news and issues. My theory on this is the age of the fandom. Yes, there are some fans (like me) who are young in years and in fannish involvement; when I was in high school, most people had the Internet at home (even if AOL dial-up ;)), and when I entered fandom, it was almost entirely online by that point. But a lot of Tolkien fans I know can fondly remember the days when fanzines and conventions were the only real &quot;fix&quot; available to people who wanted to be involved, and people snail-mailed stories to each other. To me, fandom is an Internet entity, so becoming fluent with how the Internet works is an essential part of being involved to the degree that I am. To them, it is so much broader and involvement can&#039;t be so narrowly defined as willingness to learn HTML and CSS to build a website (which was one of the first things I did when I decided I wanted to be more than peripherally involved).

That&#039;s my crackpot theory. :)

Fandom is interesting, both as a whole and in how individual fandoms (or even sub-groups within a single fandom) do things differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comment on the author&#8217;s &#8220;power&#8221; on LJ is, I think, spot on. Incidentally, this is why I started posting my fanfic on LJ, despite dozens of wonderful Tolkien archives that aren&#8217;t ff.net. I was insecure and liked the idea that I could control who saw the story and the kind of feedback I received. If I wanted to make a story disappear forever, I could &#8230; well, to the extent that anything on the Internet can be made to go away forever. Of course, this never became an issue, but it was certainly in the back of my mind as a last resort emergency solution, if my stories got the flames I was so certain they deserved. <img src='http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Tolkien is my first and only fandom, but I&#8217;m addicted to multi-fandom meta, and I&#8217;ve certainly noticed as well that Tolkien fans, in general, are out of the loop compared to fandom at large, both in terms of technical expertise and keeping up with inter-fandom news and issues. My theory on this is the age of the fandom. Yes, there are some fans (like me) who are young in years and in fannish involvement; when I was in high school, most people had the Internet at home (even if AOL dial-up <img src='http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ), and when I entered fandom, it was almost entirely online by that point. But a lot of Tolkien fans I know can fondly remember the days when fanzines and conventions were the only real &#8220;fix&#8221; available to people who wanted to be involved, and people snail-mailed stories to each other. To me, fandom is an Internet entity, so becoming fluent with how the Internet works is an essential part of being involved to the degree that I am. To them, it is so much broader and involvement can&#8217;t be so narrowly defined as willingness to learn HTML and CSS to build a website (which was one of the first things I did when I decided I wanted to be more than peripherally involved).</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my crackpot theory. <img src='http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Fandom is interesting, both as a whole and in how individual fandoms (or even sub-groups within a single fandom) do things differently.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/2008/09/the-many-faces-of-livejournal/comment-page-1/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve noticed that there are entired fandoms organized solely around/by LJ. I do get what looks so appealing about it - even an illiterate person could use it. You don&#039;t need html-knowledge. You just need to know how to paste/copy. It&#039;s very easy to interact with others and you can control who sees your content. It gives an author a feeling of &quot;power&quot; (that&#039;s too strong a word, I realize, but I can&#039;t think of anything better). 

From a reader&#039;s point, things look very differently, especially where multi-chaptered stories are concerned. I&#039;m coming from BtVS, were every fandom person had his/her own website. I was quite surprised to find that with the Tolkien crowd it was a rare occurence to find a writer with a personal site (though that&#039;s slowly changing). BtVS-fans were very skilled in webdesign, a lot of Tolkien fans don&#039;t even know what RSS is. 

Don&#039;t take me wrong, I&#039;m not saying that one fan is better than the other, but I always found it fascinating how a fandom seems to function like a living being - it has its own personality and it generally doesn&#039;t want to change:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that there are entired fandoms organized solely around/by LJ. I do get what looks so appealing about it &#8211; even an illiterate person could use it. You don&#8217;t need html-knowledge. You just need to know how to paste/copy. It&#8217;s very easy to interact with others and you can control who sees your content. It gives an author a feeling of &#8220;power&#8221; (that&#8217;s too strong a word, I realize, but I can&#8217;t think of anything better). </p>
<p>From a reader&#8217;s point, things look very differently, especially where multi-chaptered stories are concerned. I&#8217;m coming from BtVS, were every fandom person had his/her own website. I was quite surprised to find that with the Tolkien crowd it was a rare occurence to find a writer with a personal site (though that&#8217;s slowly changing). BtVS-fans were very skilled in webdesign, a lot of Tolkien fans don&#8217;t even know what RSS is. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t take me wrong, I&#8217;m not saying that one fan is better than the other, but I always found it fascinating how a fandom seems to function like a living being &#8211; it has its own personality and it generally doesn&#8217;t want to change:)</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
		<link>http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/2008/09/the-many-faces-of-livejournal/comment-page-1/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the honesty of your response! :D LJ is awkward as an archive, I agree. I did start posting my work there because I was too terrified to post it anywhere else, but the limitations quickly became plain. By then, of course, I had quite a readership. These days, I post to the SWG archive and, one day, will hopefully shift over to my website as well and then just use LJ to link to stuff.

Some fandoms are concentrated almost entirely on LJ, though. Because I&#039;m strictly a Tolkien writer, I had something of a &quot;wtf?&quot; reaction to the panic over Strikethrough ... until I realized that whole fandoms were terrified of the possibility of losing their archives because all of those archives were on LJ. Given the ease of software like eFiction, I don&#039;t particularly understand this but ... *shrug*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the honesty of your response! <img src='http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  LJ is awkward as an archive, I agree. I did start posting my work there because I was too terrified to post it anywhere else, but the limitations quickly became plain. By then, of course, I had quite a readership. These days, I post to the SWG archive and, one day, will hopefully shift over to my website as well and then just use LJ to link to stuff.</p>
<p>Some fandoms are concentrated almost entirely on LJ, though. Because I&#8217;m strictly a Tolkien writer, I had something of a &#8220;wtf?&#8221; reaction to the panic over Strikethrough &#8230; until I realized that whole fandoms were terrified of the possibility of losing their archives because all of those archives were on LJ. Given the ease of software like eFiction, I don&#8217;t particularly understand this but &#8230; *shrug*</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/2008/09/the-many-faces-of-livejournal/comment-page-1/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, I don&#039;t even know what to do with my LJ. I basically have it only to read flocked fiction and I post something to it because otherwise it would look too empty.

I will *never* post fiction to my LJ, because in my opinion LJ is the worst solution ever to archive fanfic.

I will almost never post private stuff, because it&#039;s private.

I will only rarely post fannish stuff, because others do that so much better.

So to me, LJ is nothing more but a crutch I need to get around in fandom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, I don&#8217;t even know what to do with my LJ. I basically have it only to read flocked fiction and I post something to it because otherwise it would look too empty.</p>
<p>I will *never* post fiction to my LJ, because in my opinion LJ is the worst solution ever to archive fanfic.</p>
<p>I will almost never post private stuff, because it&#8217;s private.</p>
<p>I will only rarely post fannish stuff, because others do that so much better.</p>
<p>So to me, LJ is nothing more but a crutch I need to get around in fandom.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
		<link>http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/2008/09/the-many-faces-of-livejournal/comment-page-1/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oshun: I was wholly of your view about separating things; it used to drive me nuts when my LJ friends had a half-dozen journals, each for a slightly different (though usually overlapping) purpose. Of course, it was so normative that I went along and assumed myself the odd one in thinking that tendency odd.

It wasn&#039;t so much the mixture of fiction-meta-life that I found difficult but the fact that I &lt;em&gt;assumed&lt;/em&gt; (wrongly and foolishly) that people wouldn&#039;t be so critical of posts that (in my mind) were clearly personal or clearly letting off steam. I realized that this was an unfair expectation on my part.

I am a organization freak, though. LJ tags were the best thing to happen to me. I&#039;ll make three posts in a row rather than mix topics too much. But that&#039;s my right brain stretching itself a bit. However, I do lately tend to write and paint in the dining room rather than the study designed for that purpose ... but that&#039;s because Bobby and I have so many schoolbooks that they&#039;re piled all over the study and there is no place to work!

I have to add a hearty &quot;hell yeah&quot; to your lack of shame about fanfic. Or writing in general. I refuse to be embarrassed by my creativity. If people I know aren&#039;t embarrassed that they spend eight hours a night sitting on their duffs in front of the television, why should I be embarrassed that I write in my free time? As for the topics ... well, sex is part of life. I never write PWP and don&#039;t think that even my most lascivious stories could be considered &quot;smut,&quot; so if someone finds it horrifying that I write sex ... well, I guess they need to find a new friend!

On RSS feeds, I recommend &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/reader&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Google Reader&lt;/a&gt;, which does not require you to install new software and acts a lot like an email inbox. As for RSS feeds on comments, I think I need to add that. But if you comment on the blog, I will answer it. (Unlike my LJ, which is much more touch-and-go these days ...)

French Pony: I think you may have interpretted my comment &quot;LiveJournal–in its name, its mission, and its history–carries with it the connotation of a personal safe space, a private journal&quot; differently than I meant it. :) I didn&#039;t mean that f-lock--or even p-lock--should act as a guarantee of security. That is a foolish level of Internet naivete that I lost more than a decade ago. I meant that LJ, compared to a blog or a forum, seems aimed more toward sharing one&#039;s personal life and thoughts than a blog or forum, which are aimed more at encouraging public discourse, at least in my perception. When I make a post on my LJ, I have no delusions that a &quot;friend&quot; could share it with someone else or even make so innocent a mistake as leaving it open on her PC for a passerby to read. However, I did expect that if I made a post about my family, for example, than people would understand that this was not an appropriate place for criticism and debate. I see now that this was not a fair assumption when I was encouraging both on other posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oshun: I was wholly of your view about separating things; it used to drive me nuts when my LJ friends had a half-dozen journals, each for a slightly different (though usually overlapping) purpose. Of course, it was so normative that I went along and assumed myself the odd one in thinking that tendency odd.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t so much the mixture of fiction-meta-life that I found difficult but the fact that I <em>assumed</em> (wrongly and foolishly) that people wouldn&#8217;t be so critical of posts that (in my mind) were clearly personal or clearly letting off steam. I realized that this was an unfair expectation on my part.</p>
<p>I am a organization freak, though. LJ tags were the best thing to happen to me. I&#8217;ll make three posts in a row rather than mix topics too much. But that&#8217;s my right brain stretching itself a bit. However, I do lately tend to write and paint in the dining room rather than the study designed for that purpose &#8230; but that&#8217;s because Bobby and I have so many schoolbooks that they&#8217;re piled all over the study and there is no place to work!</p>
<p>I have to add a hearty &#8220;hell yeah&#8221; to your lack of shame about fanfic. Or writing in general. I refuse to be embarrassed by my creativity. If people I know aren&#8217;t embarrassed that they spend eight hours a night sitting on their duffs in front of the television, why should I be embarrassed that I write in my free time? As for the topics &#8230; well, sex is part of life. I never write PWP and don&#8217;t think that even my most lascivious stories could be considered &#8220;smut,&#8221; so if someone finds it horrifying that I write sex &#8230; well, I guess they need to find a new friend!</p>
<p>On RSS feeds, I recommend <a href="http://www.google.com/reader" rel="nofollow">Google Reader</a>, which does not require you to install new software and acts a lot like an email inbox. As for RSS feeds on comments, I think I need to add that. But if you comment on the blog, I will answer it. (Unlike my LJ, which is much more touch-and-go these days &#8230;)</p>
<p>French Pony: I think you may have interpretted my comment &#8220;LiveJournal–in its name, its mission, and its history–carries with it the connotation of a personal safe space, a private journal&#8221; differently than I meant it. <img src='http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I didn&#8217;t mean that f-lock&#8211;or even p-lock&#8211;should act as a guarantee of security. That is a foolish level of Internet naivete that I lost more than a decade ago. I meant that LJ, compared to a blog or a forum, seems aimed more toward sharing one&#8217;s personal life and thoughts than a blog or forum, which are aimed more at encouraging public discourse, at least in my perception. When I make a post on my LJ, I have no delusions that a &#8220;friend&#8221; could share it with someone else or even make so innocent a mistake as leaving it open on her PC for a passerby to read. However, I did expect that if I made a post about my family, for example, than people would understand that this was not an appropriate place for criticism and debate. I see now that this was not a fair assumption when I was encouraging both on other posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Oshun</title>
		<link>http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/2008/09/the-many-faces-of-livejournal/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Oshun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just thinking that about the only thing I f-lock on my LJ these days is when I ciriticize my kids or their friends or just generally make myself sound like a perfect dufus in the process of blowing off steam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just thinking that about the only thing I f-lock on my LJ these days is when I ciriticize my kids or their friends or just generally make myself sound like a perfect dufus in the process of blowing off steam.</p>
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		<title>By: French Pony</title>
		<link>http://themidhavens.net/heretic_loremaster/2008/09/the-many-faces-of-livejournal/comment-page-1/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>French Pony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Similar problems cropped up on a sorta-semi-shared blogging site for students and alumni of the Fairest College about a year or so ago, and these problems had serious, real-life repercussions -- a job lost, a relationship destroyed, that sort of thing.  I will say to you what I said to the Fairest College people:

It is generally good policy to regard anything you post on the Internet, especially if it is not password-protected, as a public utterance, viewable to anyone who should happen upon it.  Content that you don&#039;t want people to see, You Don&#039;t Post.  I would take serious issue with your statement that &quot;LiveJournal–in its name, its mission, and its history–carries with it the connotation of a personal safe space, a private journal.&quot;  LiveJournal is &quot;Live.&quot;  It has always been more about a shared social space than a personal, private journaling space.  That&#039;s inherent in the nature of the Internet.

The LJ privacy controls are lovely, in that they let you control exactly who has access to a post, and that&#039;s probably the best way to think of them.  Forget the labels that LJ uses, like &quot;public&quot; and &quot;private&quot; -- deconstructing those words will only cause you to forget the function of those settings.  Instead, regard the default audience for your words as &quot;everybody and their second cousins once removed,&quot; and treat them accordingly.  Change the audience as suits your words, but never forget that, on the Internet, the assumption is one of publicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Similar problems cropped up on a sorta-semi-shared blogging site for students and alumni of the Fairest College about a year or so ago, and these problems had serious, real-life repercussions &#8212; a job lost, a relationship destroyed, that sort of thing.  I will say to you what I said to the Fairest College people:</p>
<p>It is generally good policy to regard anything you post on the Internet, especially if it is not password-protected, as a public utterance, viewable to anyone who should happen upon it.  Content that you don&#8217;t want people to see, You Don&#8217;t Post.  I would take serious issue with your statement that &#8220;LiveJournal–in its name, its mission, and its history–carries with it the connotation of a personal safe space, a private journal.&#8221;  LiveJournal is &#8220;Live.&#8221;  It has always been more about a shared social space than a personal, private journaling space.  That&#8217;s inherent in the nature of the Internet.</p>
<p>The LJ privacy controls are lovely, in that they let you control exactly who has access to a post, and that&#8217;s probably the best way to think of them.  Forget the labels that LJ uses, like &#8220;public&#8221; and &#8220;private&#8221; &#8212; deconstructing those words will only cause you to forget the function of those settings.  Instead, regard the default audience for your words as &#8220;everybody and their second cousins once removed,&#8221; and treat them accordingly.  Change the audience as suits your words, but never forget that, on the Internet, the assumption is one of publicity.</p>
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		<title>By: Oshun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oshun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a problem with me keeping up outside of LJ. How will I know if you respond to these entires, Dawn? I am not set up for an RSS feed--think it requires a download and my computer is running on no available memory space right now. (Will get a new one as soon as it crashes, but limping by for now.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a problem with me keeping up outside of LJ. How will I know if you respond to these entires, Dawn? I am not set up for an RSS feed&#8211;think it requires a download and my computer is running on no available memory space right now. (Will get a new one as soon as it crashes, but limping by for now.)</p>
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